Whitechapel - Tue, 09 Feb 2010 07:22:04 -0800 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/ Lussumo Vanilla 1.1.4 & Feed Publisher Watchmen 2 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=7694&Focus=219119#Comment_219119 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=7694&Focus=219119#Comment_219119 Tue, 09 Feb 2010 07:16:59 -0800 COOP
Lots of recording artists in the 50's and 60's were fucked for much the same reasons - could anyone in 1955 possibly have known that RCA would still be making mountains of money from Elvis records more than a half-century later? Forget Elvis - every hit song from the last fifty years will be endlessly repackaged and resold until the end of civilization, and rarely does anyone who actually created them receive one cent for their efforts.

(Mind you, I'm not excusing DC for any of their generally shitty behavior towards Alan Moore.)

Oh, and all ethical issues aside, new Watchmen comics are a horrible idea, largely because there's nowhere left to go with the story, except turning it into masturbatory continuity-porn fanservice. ]]> Emma Vieceli's DRAGON HEIR: REBORN - online and for free ^_^ http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=7048&Focus=219118#Comment_219118 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=7048&Focus=219118#Comment_219118 Tue, 09 Feb 2010 07:12:09 -0800 emsie

So sorry for being a day late on this one, chaps! I'm kind of on a holiday and forgot....terrible - no excuse! Anyways, enjoy ^_^ ]]> The New Massive Attack http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=7722&Focus=219117#Comment_219117 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=7722&Focus=219117#Comment_219117 Tue, 09 Feb 2010 07:10:58 -0800 taphead here) this feels surprisingly vocal-driven. This is the first time I've gotten the feeling the production has taken a backing role to the vocals. ]]> The Artists Thread February 2010 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=7680&Focus=219116#Comment_219116 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=7680&Focus=219116#Comment_219116 Tue, 09 Feb 2010 07:09:37 -0800 michael shea
new ink drawing i finished last night:
gucci mane swag immaculate/hard to figure out like calculus ]]> The New Massive Attack http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=7722&Focus=219115#Comment_219115 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=7722&Focus=219115#Comment_219115 Tue, 09 Feb 2010 06:58:48 -0800 Agitpunkt
"Return to form", mostly because of the length of time between this and Mezzanine (not everyone can be Portishead) and the fact that I was less than thrilled with 100th Window and Danny the Dog, both of which just seemed like treading water. This one feels like more of a progression. ]]> New Gil Scott-Heron "Me and the Devil" http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=7718&Focus=219114#Comment_219114 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=7718&Focus=219114#Comment_219114 Tue, 09 Feb 2010 06:53:36 -0800 taphead here you go.

This album is harsh. ]]> Happy Birthday William Christensen http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=7721&Focus=219113#Comment_219113 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=7721&Focus=219113#Comment_219113 Tue, 09 Feb 2010 06:47:39 -0800 Rooth The New Massive Attack http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=7722&Focus=219112#Comment_219112 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=7722&Focus=219112#Comment_219112 Tue, 09 Feb 2010 06:46:25 -0800 dot_xom Splitting the Atom EP and the Girl, I Love You remix they've already released. You called it "a return to form", Agitpunkt, but personally, I don't think Massive Attack are ever off form. As far as I'm concerned, it's not a matter of whether this is a good album, just a case of how good it is.

Look forward to dropping my two cents when I do buy this. ]]> It reeks of metal http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=6530&Focus=219111#Comment_219111 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=6530&Focus=219111#Comment_219111 Tue, 09 Feb 2010 06:46:02 -0800 joe.distort
you guys heard about CONVERGE/COALESCE right? YEAH. ]]> Happy Birthday William Christensen http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=7721&Focus=219110#Comment_219110 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=7721&Focus=219110#Comment_219110 Tue, 09 Feb 2010 06:43:58 -0800 Ginja The New Massive Attack http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=7722&Focus=219109#Comment_219109 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=7722&Focus=219109#Comment_219109 Tue, 09 Feb 2010 06:33:32 -0800 Agitpunkt
When I was a young man, the first four albums (counting No Protection here) defined an entire year of my life, basically rewriting my Punk/Industrial brain, and since there seems to be a lot of Electronic Music fans on the board, I suspect I'm not the only one who had this experience.

So far, I think this might be a return to form. I've only listened to it once all the way through though, so I'm still processing it.

Of course, however good it is, I expect it'll be eclipsed by the Burial remix album.

The first video is quite something as well:
]]> New Gil Scott-Heron "Me and the Devil" http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=7718&Focus=219108#Comment_219108 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=7718&Focus=219108#Comment_219108 Tue, 09 Feb 2010 06:15:17 -0800 Agitpunkt
Waiting.

Waiting.... ]]> The February 2010 Book Club http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=7705&Focus=219107#Comment_219107 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=7705&Focus=219107#Comment_219107 Tue, 09 Feb 2010 05:56:53 -0800 Blanche
I'd be inclined to do a read-through, THEN refer to notes, only to avoid breaking up the flow of narrative. But I'm a whore for narrative, and given that you "want to do this right", you may have to take breaks constantly to flip to the appendix.

Also, that approach should serve you well with David Foster Wallace's entire bibliography.


I just finished The Sex Lives of Cannibals, halfway through A Storm of Swords, re-read Paul Pope's 100%, finally got through Asterios Polyp, and thanks to a slight on the part of my high school literary education, I'm only now reading Lolita.

Any recommendations in terms of Queen and Country (as in, where to start)? I've never read anything with Rucka's crazy Russians, so I feel like I'm missing out on an essential experience in life. ]]> Stuff from around the net (Feb 10) http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=7675&Focus=219106#Comment_219106 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=7675&Focus=219106#Comment_219106 Tue, 09 Feb 2010 05:44:57 -0800 Encephalo Ray Image and video hosting by TinyPic ]]> Happy Birthday William Christensen http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=7721&Focus=219105#Comment_219105 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=7721&Focus=219105#Comment_219105 Tue, 09 Feb 2010 05:24:44 -0800 Berserker Happy Birthday William Christensen http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=7721&Focus=219104#Comment_219104 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=7721&Focus=219104#Comment_219104 Tue, 09 Feb 2010 05:14:10 -0800 sillypunk 'Slow is the new fast' say the designers of cutting edge airship http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=7691&Focus=219103#Comment_219103 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=7691&Focus=219103#Comment_219103 Tue, 09 Feb 2010 05:01:42 -0800 wings_of_wrath British Police to Monitor Civilians with UAVs by 2012 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=7715&Focus=219102#Comment_219102 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=7715&Focus=219102#Comment_219102 Tue, 09 Feb 2010 04:56:26 -0800 wings_of_wrath Stuff from around the net (Feb 10) http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=7675&Focus=219101#Comment_219101 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=7675&Focus=219101#Comment_219101 Tue, 09 Feb 2010 04:13:17 -0800 mybrainhurts
]]> FREAKANGELS continuity & editing http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=3181&Focus=219100#Comment_219100 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=3181&Focus=219100#Comment_219100 Tue, 09 Feb 2010 03:56:43 -0800 wings_of_wrath My comments about the tower and garden weren't supposed to highlight a problem - I'm fine with whatever choices you and Paul made on those two subjects, but the battery is NOT a case of "illustrative shorthand", but a full blown error, in the same vein of "left foot on the right leg" - someone is bound to notice it because it looks unnatural. ]]> Watchmen 2 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=7694&Focus=219099#Comment_219099 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=7694&Focus=219099#Comment_219099 Tue, 09 Feb 2010 03:53:55 -0800 Salgood Sam
for the sake of discussion, can we agree to use "sequel" to refer to any projects spun out from the original series, whether it's a continuation of the story, flashbacks, individual character books, or even stories set in the same world? I wasn't meaning to be quite so literal in my usage of the word, so sorry if that wasn't clear.


Well, I take your intended meaning- i fear it might seem picky of me but no. "sequel" does have a very specific meaning, so for the sake of Understanding i think it much better to endeavor to be specific if we're setting down guidelines.

You don't seriously think DC would ever let Watchmen, the franchise, and all related characters out of its hands, do you?


sorry James, i was responding to this, and i think i read "like" as likely the first time. Folly of being dyslexic.

Worse, it's a sequel to a book the original creator would quite like to own the rights to, seeing as his contract was made with the understanding he'd get them back some day.


Thought you were saying we'd not do it because he'd get them back. I was not under the impression he was ever going to without a fight he seems unwilling to engage in, but it seemed you were saying he would at the time.

From the intended perspective though, I still don't see how it keeps it from being done per say. There are the many who will do it without a care for Alan. And there are those who don't see it as such a B&W thing either.

Was looking at the history of Alan's issues with the contract. As a creator i sympathize deeply, I've my own stories about being buggered by tricky contract language, and just being screwed out of things. Example: Marvel clawed back $6000 from me in "over paid royalties", sorry, thats "gratuities" in the contracts - back in the 90's, and did it by simply not paying me for new work i was doing {a file story for GR2099 by a certain W.Ellis in fact} and not telling me what was going on for two months. After not being paid for a while which was strange 'cus they're normally very prompt, i called and was told my "account" was in the negative. So believe me i can relate to Alan feeling ripped by this stuff.

But the addition to the contact Alan and Dave asked for has not been dishonored itself. To quote, "The way it works, if I understand it, is that DC owns it for the time they're publishing it, and then it reverts to Dave and me, so we can make all the money from the Slurpee cups."

Well then, sequels not withstanding, every fan who's bought a copy of watchmen over the last 24 years keeping it the classic perennial it is, are the one's who get to ware the yoke of responsibility on that count. Every one who's put it on a must read list, blogged about it, talked about, wore a happy face button with a smudge. And they are so awful, buying and loving that book. And DC is so awful, paying well to keep the rights.

Do we consider Dave a traitor too? For Watching the Watchmen? Not helping that, if his or Alan's goal is to get DC back for this.

And the fans would be the ones to tell us we can't write or draw new material because it keeps Alan from getting it back? Please. I respect the guy more than you can measure but that's just silly. I'd show my respect if i could by going into Alan's dungeon, bowing a few times, make an offering, smoke up with him and talking about comics. Maybe trying to convince him to go get his rights back somehow, make a case for action! :) Never going to happen probably but just saying.

No, Alan is the one who keeps Alan from getting it. He very well may have a bad faith case over the contract if he was verbaly told to his face, promised they would revert to him for sure, that no way DC would hang on to it. Even more so if they suggested the time frame of one year.

If he does, then he should take them to court and win it back and the cost of doing so while he's at it. But that's up to Alan.

So, no one thinks he's getting the rights back, people are still buying the book, the lesson about contracts and rights has been learned and should be continued to be taught. Read you're contract, and when you do, don't assume you WILL be out of print in just a year folks. Not Alan's fault, but nothing is going to change either now is it? But otherwise what's the difference at this point?

The movie came out after the book sold well for 20 years, it's probably going to keep going. So that itself makes the question of what effect sequels or other stories with the cast has on the true problem mute.

So, still i see mostly an ideological problem, not a true reasonable or rational one that would make this "never happen". Depending entirely on the specifics, i'd say i'd still consider it myself.

Um... the point kind of IS that Alan and Dave aren't getting the rights back, despite having signed contracts with full expectation of same.


Well, see above for specific relevance to this conversation, but broadly also, yes Warren i understand they aren't, and while i agree they got out witted i don't agree their contracts really included something that should leave one with a "full expectation".

I'd not fault them for thinking it was likely, possible. But they got buggered basically because they didn't imagine it doing that well, not because DC directly tricked them. DC considered the possibility and managed to write paper that covered them. It could have been bad faith depending on the conversations that led up to the added clause, but the paperwork itself sounds pretty strait forward. ]]> Stuff from around the net (Feb 10) http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=7675&Focus=219098#Comment_219098 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=7675&Focus=219098#Comment_219098 Tue, 09 Feb 2010 03:36:41 -0800 3millionyears The new Avengers Line Up

The Secret Avengers Line Up ]]> How did you Stumble across Freak angels? http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=7463&Focus=219097#Comment_219097 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=7463&Focus=219097#Comment_219097 Tue, 09 Feb 2010 03:32:09 -0800 wings_of_wrath FREAKANGELS continuity & editing http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=3181&Focus=219096#Comment_219096 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=3181&Focus=219096#Comment_219096 Tue, 09 Feb 2010 03:26:08 -0800 warrenellis FREAKANGELS continuity & editing http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=3181&Focus=219095#Comment_219095 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=3181&Focus=219095#Comment_219095 Tue, 09 Feb 2010 03:12:16 -0800 wings_of_wrath
In Book Three, episode 053, pages 3, 5 and 6, the battery posts are drawn as if arranged on a flat surface, yet the top of the bin also presents some quite deep grooves. The resulting effect is quite disconcerting and it's made worse by the angle of the texture used on the lid, which actually accentuates the apparent depth of the indentations. This optical irregularity is especially noticeable on page 6, where we have a close-up on said contraption - I took the liberty of correcting it in the image below:

fixed!

From a professional point of view, the very distinctive watchtower and sky garden (well, probably not the garden- those water tanks and dirt bins are heavy, after all) would have been blown away by the first storm, because of the flat, continuous floors that would have offered wind an ample surface against which to push. In fact, that is the main reason most similar real world platforms are made using perforated panels, to alleviate some of the environmental pressures on the structure - (wind, rain, snow, etc). Not to mention the fact the chipboard pieces don't seem to be attached to anything and are just resting there gravitationally.

Another interesting effect I noticed is how the watchtower structure seems to be getting thinner as the story progresses - in Book One the support struts were a bit overkill - metal is structurally very strong, and beams that size can fully support a warehouse roof and a few tons of snow, while the whole thing is swaying in an earthquake... That , of course, if they are properly fastened together, which doesn't appear to be the case - the beams (which are very heavy, I might add) are just casually lashed together... By book three, however, the structure has become somewhat more believable - the beams are thinner and incastrated in the roof of the church below. One thing I don't really understand, though, is why the look-out hasn't made use of the already existing church tower staircase to get half-way up the watchtower, instead of using all those rickety ladders (I'm with Alice on this one). ]]> Watchmen 2 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=7694&Focus=219094#Comment_219094 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=7694&Focus=219094#Comment_219094 Tue, 09 Feb 2010 03:08:22 -0800 Marty Nozz This debate is over a book doesn't even exist, and the number of people willing to massage a justification for what they want over respect for its author is depressing me.

@Brendan. It is? I thought this was openly mocking how ridiculous this whole thing is. ]]> Happy Birthday William Christensen http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=7721&Focus=219093#Comment_219093 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=7721&Focus=219093#Comment_219093 Tue, 09 Feb 2010 03:05:21 -0800 Gekko The February 2010 Book Club http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=7705&Focus=219092#Comment_219092 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=7705&Focus=219092#Comment_219092 Tue, 09 Feb 2010 02:59:28 -0800 Marty Nozz not go south badly for Tara Chase? Sounds good to me. I'm hoping for more crazy Russians. Rucka writes great crazy Russians. ]]> Happy Birthday William Christensen http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=7721&Focus=219091#Comment_219091 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=7721&Focus=219091#Comment_219091 Tue, 09 Feb 2010 02:34:19 -0800 taphead Politics - When does the talk stop, and violence begin? http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=7713&Focus=219090#Comment_219090 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=7713&Focus=219090#Comment_219090 Tue, 09 Feb 2010 02:28:09 -0800 JiveKitty
International law is contentious, and not yet fully formed and respected. There are no really effective major world reaching governing institutions (thinking UN type thingies here). The EU extends only to its boundaries, and while expanding, and given the name, will not aim at further expansion out of Europe (for a while). Multinationals/transnationals/whatever aren't all that concerned with governance at this time. They're more concerned with exploiting or changing the current system to meet their ends (profits), while avoiding the costly and uneconomical task of governance (which is a public good rather than private; mixed at best).

And yes, I know you say "some people" but I suspect it will be the majority of people despite a good number of them ascribing to themselves some sort of rationality. Naturally any kind of global governant would have to take regional concerns into consideration when making decisions, so that does imply that nation-states could still have some place in the hierarchy. If global government were to happen, or was even a good way to go, that is. ]]>